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Nuzlocke White: Extra Comic 20 by ky-nim Nuzlocke White: Extra Comic 20 by ky-nim
Yeah...

The main point of this comic was to show that the main reason for Nina's apprehension about her mother was due to the fact that she has many expectations thrown on her and as a result of this "pedestal treatment" she does get hurt (the details of this hurt I kept VERY vague because that is going to be addressed). Yes, she does have talents that were inherited and it does make her a subject of jealousy (i.e. Extra Comic 17).

Hope that clears things up! FYI, you can still dislike and/or disagree with her character. I just want people to dislike/disagree a thing while knowing my intentions for the character, and not because you misinterpreted something idk

In case people didn't get this parent news: [link]

FYI: These are extra comics that did not make it onto my main White Nuzlocke comics but will be posted as some sort of omake/mini comic series. These will range from 1 panel to multiple, depending on my mood.

CAST
Protagonist - Nina
Rivals - Cheren and Bianca
Mystery Creeper - N


COMIC LINKS
Rules: [link]
Prev: [link]

Next: [link]


The entire series gallery: [link]

To see the gijinkas of the pokemon: 
[link]

Enjoy!
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:iconmadwizard849:
madwizard849 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I was waiting for something like this... :)
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The13PagedNoteBook Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2014  Hobbyist
I'm kind of like this too...

Always trying to find an image that everyone wants...

Yet all the time you just see disappointment...

The one reason people call lazy...

I ain't lazy, I'm just tired of people looking down at me for not being who they want me to be
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LKWayvern Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Myeh. You know who's got more expectations to live up to? Abyss the Spiristo, daughter of Animus the Mew and Element the Arceus. 
Abyss: YAY, ice cream! 
Abyss is also unable to take anything seriously. At all. 
I like X better. 
X: Go away. Stop comparing me to humans. They keep ruining my life. 
All my OCs have 'problems'. 
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BlueEeveelutions Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
D:
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ChimneyMarie Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Ya'know what I just realized after reading both of your comics again? Roark + Dawn = Nina. Why the hell didn't I notice eariler?
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WhatnotHow Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014
This extra comic is one of my favorites. It let me understand and relate to Nina. Even if people consider her a Mary-Sue, she is one of my favorite characters.
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skjalden Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014
wait what? Dawn??? I was not expecting that...
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SonicMila Featured By Owner May 28, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
YOUR KIDDING DAWN IS THE MOM!?
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PokeSpeBanette Featured By Owner May 26, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
the first thing I thought when I heard her backstory was "oh my god she's just like Green Oak from PokeSpe" y'know?
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ky-nim Featured By Owner May 26, 2014   Digital Artist
Just a little bit~
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PokeSpeBanette Featured By Owner May 27, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
you kiddin'?
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Jolly-JoshuasNuzRuns Featured By Owner May 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I feel bad for the protagonist. ):

And also, when I first saw this I got confused because you did not really specify a few things. When you mentioned 'champion', I thought you meant the champ from this game(when actually you meant the character from your previous run.) and I kinda thought the blu haired gal was the champ's wife.

But I read your previous run and some of the previous extras so now I get it.
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PhoenixScribe Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2014  Student Writer
Actually, I really like Nina a lot because she seems to have a lot of the same problems that I do. Like her, a lot of things come easily for me, which makes other believe that I don't have to work for it at all, which simply isn't true. I work my butt off. But others don't seem to get that. This has even led my parents and grandparents to hold me up on a pedestal for my siblings and cousins, which damages our relationships. I've asked them to stop, and some of them have, but others have not. I hate the wedges driven between me and others and while I don't want to stop being good at the things I like, I don't want others, especially those I love, to resent me for it.
All that to say, I don't think that Nina is as flawed as it sounds like people are making her. I think she's believable and relatable, and I hope to see more of her in the future.
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ky-nim Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2014   Digital Artist
Believable and relatable is all I need. No need to add weird flaws that don't make sense to her lol

And thank you!
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NebulaGregarZX Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Sue tests are useless garbage. For somebody inexperienced, they might be helpful, but for somebody who really understands characterization, they can be useless, and even inhibit good ideas for the sake of conforming to an obnoxious standard.

So... yeah. I fail to see how it wasn't clear that she took issue with the expectations. I LIKE her character. I thought it was cleverly done. Who actually said otherwise?
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KanameFujiwara Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2014
I agree with you. That said, I think that there are those that disagree with you and that's fine as well...
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Iredescent Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"...and to ignore my own personal anxieties and fears because I should be grateful because my problems were trivial."

Sorry to be anal, but it kinda threw me off.  I didn't know if you noticed or wanted to fix it or not but I think it would read easier if you took that second 'because' out of there.  Great work anyway  c:
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ky-nim Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014   Digital Artist
And I thought I fixed everything omfg ugh 

I'll fix this soon
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Iredescent Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
*rereads* Oh cool that's much better!  Good job  :3
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DarkElementEX Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014
It would have been kinda funny if ky-nim let nina take her garchomp along with her XD
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Spigos Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Awww <3
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TrainerAgate Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014
wow , new page ! I like it :D
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SoraIsMyHomeboy Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
This is probably my favorite page in the whole comic, honestly, so it's awesome to see that you care so much about it too :)
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dragoeniex Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014
Nina's talents don't bug me much. Mostly, they make me feel sorry for people like Cheren. This really is his dream, but he can't hope to realize it.

Still, that's life. There are always people who are more skilled and/or talented. And if Nina's strength lets us follow her through the events of the plot... well, nothing wrong with that. My final take on her is that she's a bit OP, but still an interesting character that I want to learn about.

And come on. Every story has a couple of borderline Sues. They can actually be done quite well.
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Phyllocactus Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014
poor Nina :/ i know exactly how she feels
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blackmorn Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014
Um of course shes a Mary Sue.  Pokemon games are generally easy hence why Nuzlocks became a thing they up the challenge of the game. 

The difference is shes a Believable Sue  im fairly sure all of us play the games and all of us know how easy it is to steamroll the game with little to no effort 

Ash and Red are sues too.  so are most pokemon trainers actually I mean when you can throw out little creatures capable of causing localized earthquakes :P 

But in this universe that pretty much the norm thus your fighting enemy's on par with your power levels. 

but again the game is easy even in a nuzlock, 

This is one of the examples when we care more about the story then the characters if this was more characters focused her being OMGL33THAXOP might be more of a problem but that combines with the universe and our knowledge how hard it is to make pokemon challenging :P

TLDR Can she really be a Sue among Sues.  in terms of power anyway. shes more of a self insert too. again something the game was intended to do. you in the role of a pokemon trainer. 
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ky-nim Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014   Digital Artist
(Assuming all trainers are Sues)
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ky-nim Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014   Digital Artist
Well yes. The main character role in these games does make her an inherent sue. I was more trying to deconstruct some of those things? But you have a good point.

I don't like it when people call her a unbelievable sue
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blackmorn Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2014
Nawh it's believable even if you don't take everything into context.   I suppose you could say HURR DURR SHES THE DAUGHTER OF THE CHAMP YOU DID THAT 


But one  im fairly sure the game placed you in that position as part of the game. (I think) 

It hasn't really come up much as a topic.    shes not going around well im related to the champ gimmie free stuff. she moped about it once but that felt more like exposition then pity me, 

You wanna see a real sue. Check out kitfox crimson's nuzloke runs. his trainer actually consults the game guides on the internet :P then again it's not a serious comic and I enjoy it :3

TLDR you got nothing to worry about there will always be baseless hate. and people lashing out blindly at someone for doing something they don't like. your awesome creative and a great writer!  and out of the 3-4 nuzlokes I follow that I actually look for in my little deviant information panel your probably the most imaginative of them you took a limited  attempt to show off "Team Plasma" and their "pokerevolution" which could of been really good if they had the processing power of a console to show it off.   explored it in depth in a believable way. 

I'm gonna stop before I rant. (too late)
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ky-nim Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2014   Digital Artist
LMAO well Kit's MC is hilarious and I never cared about that lol

And thank youuu
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7Deadly5ins Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014
You don't consider it "sueish" if that's normal for the world. You could say Ash is a Sue because of the way he always wins anyway, or his many interactions with legendaries. But just having earthquake-inducing-Pokemon doesn't make him special in anyway. You have to judge Sues by their world. A Harry Potter OC isn't a Sue just because they can do magic.
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blackmorn Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014
That's pretty much what i said.  also your example is bad. (because i hate harry potter XD) and a sue is a sue even if everyone else is too :P 
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Kamari-Akuma Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014
Therapists? Psychiatrists? Shrinks? We don't need them in the Pokémon world! :)
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:iconky-nim:
ky-nim Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014   Digital Artist
If we are applying realism, the stigma of those fields probably is about the same.

Having them by itlsef doesn't solve the problem lol
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Kamari-Akuma Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014
True but its the thought that counts :3
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Darnen395 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Personally, I think this version is much better than the last, you begin to show more of Nina's internal conflict. I believe this would represent character vs society, or character vs self. Good job!
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millgiass Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014
Give in to the path of darkness, show all the nay-sayers you're superior to ALL. 
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IamaCutie Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Nina really needs a hug.

I'm really interested to find out what happened all those years ago.
Luckily, Icirrus City isn't that far off.
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RedDiamondUmbreon Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014  Student General Artist
Awww!
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dragroar Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014
Itty bitty thing... around the third 'panel' it says "That I now I want to throw away."

I think you mean "That I now want to throw away."
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ky-nim Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014   Digital Artist
Oh man I missed that one. Will fix it asap!
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TealRobin Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
The edits really make me feel more sorry for Nina than I did before, which was already a lot.

I think Nina's much less a Mary Sue than a Freedom Fighter. All she wants to do is choose her own path. Not be forced to be the best trainer ever. If she ever lost a battle, she'd be ridiculed for not being "perfect" and if she wins, it was fully expected anyway. A life being an underdog, the rookie trainer who fought hard and suffered from her loss, but recovered and became the best, is the kind of position she'd rather be in right now. And if she becomes something other than what people expect, it's even worse.

That's just what I get from this anyway.  I hope that's what you're going for. I'm probably just reading too deep between the lines and seeing things that aren't actually there.
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vindurza Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
poor nina
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ZatchZ Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh dear God the feels.
I can relate, as my parents and their ancestors and siblings have been and are great success. And I want to be just as great. But people just assume that I will be them or should be like them.
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MegBeth Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I never got any mixed signals or saw her as a Sue... I always found that term overused anyways
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Someone who's smart, nice, and talented isn't a Sue... there are people like that :XD:
I still love Nina to death and am excited to see more of her story and her adventure!
:la:
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Pikadventures Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014
/Info dump

imo, it would have been better to show, rather than to tell. 

Like, some random trainer/gym leader that killed one of Nina's pokemon would be like, "I'd expected more from the champion's kid" and then she would their glare or cry. 
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ky-nim Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014   Digital Artist
(Not sure if I am comfortable having my previosu comment be open for so long due to spoilers...so going to hide it)

Thinking back, I do see why the "telling" instead of "showing" is an issue but I was afraid that some of the show would not be good enough and might go into spoilers that I want to withold until I work on her backstory.

Also, I am a fan of not really trying to alter my old work because the shortcoming now will make the future improvments that much more obvious. Besides, I kinda am not very motivated to re-draw this u_u
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Pikadventures Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014
ah, that's understandable. it'd be a huge pain to have to reorganize everything in order for it to have continuity.

 If I may suggest, would you make Nina feel more unconfident in her own abilities? Like she would say, "I don't know...."a lot or make her  more hesitant and confused on what's she's supposed to do next? I can imagine people who have high expectations act like that if they feel like they're not reaching the high bar set for them. Either that, or they would try really hard to compensate for their parent's legacy by putting up boisterous/confident facade that crumples away every time they think they did something wrong?

 These are just some ideas though. I haven't made a lot of comics so I don't know if this would be possible to show or if it would even work! >w>
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ky-nim Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014   Digital Artist
Just to add, her "lessening confidence" trajectory MAY result in what you suggested but having her (at the current point of this series) do those things now would be strange and out of character.
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Pikadventures Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2014
Hmm, maybe? I think everybody has those days where we just lose our funk. 

I don't want to see her go into a deep depression ( bby nooo), but perhaps go through a rough time? Moody I guess? Kind of like Aang, after he lost Appa from Avatar the Last Airbender? (IDK if you watched this series before, sorry if this doesn't make any sense to you! w@ ) Maybe Dawn from the Pokemon anime would have been a better example? There was a time where she lost a Pokemon Contest during the appeal round and it delivered such a huge blow to her confidence, she was pretty depressed for a long while, to the point where she thought about quitting.

 It's not really about going from weak to strong, but rather showing that the character can have moments where they are very vulnerable/fragile, and nobody can really help them because they don't know how to help them. 

 But, I may just need to re-read your comics again! It's been a while, do I guess re-reading them could provide me better insight on Nina's character. xD
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